Tuesday, May 01, 2007

May 1 -- BADD -- Fear, avoidance, and the people we never get to know

Blogging Against Disablism DayFear of disability. Fear of disabled people. For the most part it never shows up on this blog except when myself or a commenter becomes the subject of it or it's in the content of news stories, probably because the people who choose to comment here self select with at least the desire to be disability positive. And I think that's true in most situations on most disability blogs -- someone uncomfortable with the topic and the people whom the topic is about might click into the site but not stay to read. In three years blogging at The Gimp Parade, I do not believe there is a single comment here where someone admits to a personal fear of disabled folks or disability.

This comment is the closest expression (that I can recall, feel free to roam the archives and prove me wrong) of the fear we all know is out there acting upon so many of our daily interactions with people. It's from my post last year about meeting a mom and child in a grocery store:

Anonymous said...

I think it is cool that the mother stopped you and explained to her daughter in basic terms why you had your scooter, instead of schooshing her quietly away. In a way i think it may be a hard thing for allot of people to explain disability(s) to their kids because they do not know enough information and/or are uncorfortable adressing the subject. in some ways it is allot like parents adressing the sex issue at home. some hate to discuss the issue at home.
I was guest posting then at Alas, A Blog, and that same entry over there did get comments openly expressing the fear of disabled people, which is the post's topic, after all.* It's a whole level of discussion that apparently-nondisabled people felt comfortable sharing at Alas in response to that post (and many other posts there), but never once here where battling disability prejudice and discrimination is a main and relentless topic.

At Alas, commenter Raznor says:
It seems that people just don’t know how to handle disabled people. I think most able people, and I include myself in this, feel uncomfortable when they see disabled people - at least those who don’t see them often in their everyday life.
Little Light responds:
I’ve suspected for a while, Raznor, that it comes down to a very basic thing, one that I’ve picked up more from working around death than anything: seeing the realness of disability and acknowledging that it’s something real people have to deal with is, to most able-bodied people, a terrifying reminder that it could be them, too. It’s the same fear as the fear of the elderly or obviously ill, a sort of contagion of mortality, and in our culture, the able-bodied will generally do just about anything not to think about those things. I may be a newcomer to ability-issues stuff, but I took a shine right away to the use of the phrase ‘temporarily able-bodied’ to describe people like you and me.

Some degree of needing to worry about ability and disability on a personal level is inevitable for even the halest-and-healthiest, and I’d argue that it’s fear and arrogance, most of all, that keeps us from acknowledging it and maybe looking into helping society better serve those of us not currently in the able-bodied column.

Dealing with issues of privilege requires real empathy. And it’s one thing to empathize with people belonging to a category you never will or never can. It’s another to empathize with people in situations you could very well be in tomorrow and still acknowledge your privilege. If you’re pushing to make your office building more universally accessible, how far do you have to go from thinking, ‘Boy, this isn’t fair, imagine how much of a pain in the ass this would be if I were using wheels’ to ‘I could be using wheels’? Right away, because of the necessary empathy, you’re dealing with thoughts the average able-bodied person doesn’t like dealing with. The only way to insulate themselves from those thoughts is to shut off the empathy. And right there, we’ve got a problem.

(Well, probably the problem. But that’s another argument.)
For all the progress that's been made publicizing disability issues and having disability be considered an issue of social justice on some mainstream liberal blogs -- or liberal feminist blogs -- there seems to be very little self-reflective discussion of ableism and the fears that drive it by nondisabled folks. It's easy to find some men blogging about their gender privilege and doing quite a bit of self-analysis as they support or struggle with feminist ideals. And there's lots of liberal white guilt blogging going on about race issues. Also, straight, nonqueer folks, including me, blog now and then about heteroprivilege or genderqueer issues, trying to work it out in our own heads. People are openly wrestling with those issues and their relationship to them.

So where are the self-reflective posts by nondisabled folks about ability, bodily privilege, fear of people with cognitive disabilities, or even angst about becoming impaired? Where is the recognition of participating in and privileging from an ableist culture? If that awareness of personal ableism exists, why doesn't any of it bleed into the comments on my blog or those of my disabled blogger friends except during explosive debates like the Ashley Treatment?

Yesterday, Hugo Schwyzer, whose blog I deeply enjoy, wrote a post called "A note on virtue, exercise, and disability: a response to Mr. Soul" in response to an email where Mr. Soul offered this challenge:
I see that you have blogged extensively about what you call “mental illness”–but you never use the word “disability”–and have zero entries (in how many years of blogging?) about disability or disability rights politics. Do you think your dislike of using the term disability, or the subject of disability itself (as evidenced by the way you have consistently ignored the topic) has to do with your fitness obsession, and the way you conflate a healthy, fit body with godliness?
Mr. Soul occasionally comments here and I know him to be a self-identified lifelong disabled person from the American South. He sends me intriguing emails too, and while I can't speak for him, I found Hugo's post extremely frustrating in the way it "responded" to Mr. Soul's email, but didn't actually address it.

Hugo is the very definition of a self-reflective politically liberal blogger, and although he writes:
It’s true I don’t blog about disability issues. To be fair, I never intended this blog to be about all possible social justice issues. At its core, this blog reflects my own passions and interests, which tend to revolve around sexuality, gender, faith, and animal rights. I hardly ever blog about the Iraq war, for example, because I don’t think I have anything original to say on the topic. (My views are generally in line with those of, say, Dennis Kucinich, but he knows more about the topic than I.) The same is true of disability; it’s not something with which I am wholly unconcerned, but it is a topic about which I am sure I know less than many other fine bloggers.
Mr. Soul's question seems a fair one-- for Hugo and for all the people who regularly muse about other social justice issues from a very personal perspective. Hugo could have answered that he implicitly discusses disability from a social justice perspective in many of his posts on mental illness, but instead he focuses mainly on his belief that fitness is a virtue. It's disappointing that he doesn't address the actual point I see in Mr. Soul's question, and I don't mean for this post for Blogging Against Disablism Day to be an attack on Hugo Schwyzer or any one person, but here's what fascinates me:

At some point in the last few months of thoroughly enjoying Hugo's thoughtful writing, independent of any conversation about him with Mr. Soul or anyone else, I'd mentally categorized Hugo as one of those generally open-minded men who would have no personal interest in knowing a disabled woman like me. Now, it's very possible I'm absolutely wrong about that, but there are legions of people in the world who would not easily choose to know and befriend someone with obvious visible bodily differences. Or mental differences either. The mental category of "those who would not choose to befriend me because of my disability" exists in my head because of personal experiences that caused me to create it.

Our identities too often rely upon social categories -- and affirmations of the ideals that go along with those categories -- which alienate us from the categorical Other. Hugo's concept of fitness as a spiritual and social virtue cannot easily embrace the reality of the involuntary "unfitness" of those of us disabled folks who cannot ever expect to physically meet those fitness ideals without some seriously creative re-imagining of what "fitness" might be. (I wouldn't advocate that re-imagining, by the way, though that's not what I want to talk about here today.)

On the visits to medical specialists throughout my childhood, my parents were inevitably asked how I was doing intellectually in school. While I have never personally met a person with muscular dystrophy who seemed cognitively impaired, medical literature does link the physical impairments with possible developmental problems, so the doctors' questions were meant to slot me into the diagnosis. Literally at the very top of my class throughout grade school when these questions were being asked, I learned to value my intellectual capabilities as a sign of my own normalcy and inherent worth. Being able to report to the docs that I got the highest scores in my class on math and language tests meant I was not as flawed as they thought I might be. And there's really no way for me to say that honestly without admitting that my fear of abnormalcy and my desperate need to be seen as excelling intellectually required I see people unable to do so as different from me, less relatable, less valuable, less virtuous even.

I'm not cured of that thinking. In the same way, I won't ever be "cured" (ironic word to use, eh?) of the racism or heteronormative thinking society has imbedded into me. I do try to work on it, and despite my hierarchical disability thinking from the earliest ages, I have always been aware of the isolationist, exclusionary results of ableism. Before ableism even had a name.

My twin sister had epilepsy as a child, and while there's been no sign of it for a couple decades now, she spent our entire childhood on anti-seizure meds -- barbituates -- that created learning difficulties for her in school. Imagine learning your multiplication tables while experiencing the daily highs, withdrawals, and chemical brain changes of barbituates. My closest human bond is with my twin, and yet I didn't know she was brilliantly witty until our college years, when she was able to give the meds up and remain seizure-free. I'm proud and lucky to know her as an adult, but I was there in her life every day when we were kids and did not know that other person she was. And not just because of the drugs.

This is incredibly tender territory for my sister and me. As invested as I was in creating normalcy through academic achievements, I would not have chosen to befriend my sister when we were children and she struggled to learn and create social relationships. My own place in the adolescent social structure was too shaky because of my physical impairments. Like every self-conscious kid subject to the cruelty of my peers, I spent my time trying to fit in and be like everyone else, and my being the "smart kid" was my ticket in. In fact, there were occasions that I was important to many of my peers only as a source of test answers or a measure of their own academic competence. Memory of my tenuous place in the social scene is not as painful as the tension it created between my sister and me. Happily, we've worked through much of that.

Fast forward from my childhood to the last decade and the half dozen online feminist bulletin boards I've participated on over the years: I've left two of those communities because I was the sole woman identifying as disabled and didn't feel my perspective on ableism was welcome enough to post my thoughts and experiences safely. On a private board I still belong to there was once a discussion (I forget the exact topic) that evolved into several women noting that they would never date or marry someone with a serious disability. They were categorical about it. It was an automatic "no, thank you."

It's not that I don't have my own subjective mental list of what I'd want in a mate, but my first reaction (which I posted) was "Hey! There's life on this side of the divide!" I also noted that this prejudice against even considering a disabled partner is the reason the odds are greatly against my ever having a life partner. "Never, no thank you" is a pretty strong bias to get beyond, even if I'm as charming as I think I am.

All these threads of disability fear and avoidance have been in my head because of this second annual Blogging Against Disablism Day. Who participates and who reads what is written will be self-selected according to who wants to confront their fears about disability, and who lives within the social consequences of disablism -- or ableism, choose your preferred term. There's enough variation in bodies and minds that most everyone lives on both sides of the divide according to someone else's subjective mental list. I can't help thinking about those who've missed out on knowing me, and those I chose to never get to know.


* It's not very important, but as long as I'm directing people to those comments from my guest post at Alas, I want to note that comment #13 is a trackback from someone else even though it appears to have been made by me. My comments at Alas show up under my old internet nickname Blue or Blue Lily. I think that comment was posted from a nice little blog called The Belonging Initiative.)

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thank you. As so many of your posts do, I am prompted to engage in deeper self-reflection.
Janet

Wheelchair Dancer said...

Awesome post.

Personal and with deep relevance for discussing the need for inclusion, hierarchies, and the knock-on effects of individual fear and insecurity.

Thank you.

David said...

Thank you ,Kay for this reflective post. It's so important for everyone to hear our perspectives even when they require people to get out of their comfort zone which unfortunately most people don't like to do.

Ruth said...

Definitely there is a lack of self reflective discussion of ableism. I saw one post by an AB sociologist friend on entitlement vis a vis the disabled - but I don't recall any comments. And this sadly affects the dialogue that is needed - and missing. Thanks for this post - there's much food for thought in it.

Sara said...

Yeah, what Janet said.

A lot of times I don't comment here because I'm thinking too hard. :) I go away and think over stuff you've said, stuff that stays with me a long, long time, and then when I come back, there's more.

Thank you.

MrSoul said...

Blue, thanks....in Washington, they call what Hugo wrote a "non-reply reply" --the person babbles, but says nothing you don't know already. I thought my question was clear, and thanks for understanding it. Hugo likes to haul out his Ph.D. to impress people, yet can't seem to answer directly about what he calls his "mental illness"--and why he resolutely refuses to call that a "disability", as other bloggers do. (Answer: one can recover from "illness", but NOT from disability. And Hugo is very insistent about letting us know he is all better now.) I felt replying back to him was a huge waste of time, but I did it anyway. At least now I understand that his blog is a waste of time, also. Live and learn.

Confession: I'm keeping track of who blogs against disablism today, and who doesn't. For the most part, it's the very same people that when you search their blog for the term "disability"--you get nothing. Zip, zilch, nada. Interesting coincidence, isn't it? This is just more of the same.

There are several progressive bloggers whom I really like, but I'd never post on their blogs. Their roaring silence regarding disability issues (more than anything else) tells me exactly what they think of me. And like the rabbi said, if I am not for myself, who will be for me?

Great post, Blue.

Emily Elizabeth said...

Well...you don't beat around the bush, do you? Why don't you tell us how you really feel - LOL.

This post is a keeper. It is obviously superbly written and exploding with truth; hard painful truth at that. I am sure it is and will continue to inspire the introspection that it demands...reflection none of us should be safe from.

When my daughter was born with Down syndrome I was horrified. Absolutely mortified. I was terrified of mental retardation and spent (however unknowningly) most of my life avoiding it. Now that I have the benefit of hindsight, I think I was uncomfortable with the pity that I felt for people with cognitive disabilities; uncomfortable with the lack of autonomy and mental incompacitation I identified with them. I didn't want to confront a life I didn't want to live myself.

Which of course is probably why I had a daughter with Down syndrome. Fate does have a sense of irony...lucky for me. I mean that in all seriousness.

It wasn't just the mental retardation that was so difficult for me to accept though; it was that it would be written all over her face. She would look different and I was worried she wouldn't have the capacity to defend herself or prove her worth. Everybody has challenges in life, but she would never be able to hide her away, tuck them behind a societally accepted facade. She would have no choice. No choices.

As she grew and I began to know the little person behind the slanted eyes, my fears lessened and lessened. There is no denying the amazing person she is or the beauty she carries in her soul and in her face. She is gorgeous and she looks like she has Down syndrome too...and I love that. I love that what I once feared would be ugly, is the most beauty I have ever been lucky enough to behold.

You know what I love the most though? I love that knowing her has changed everything for me. I love not being fearful (most days) anymore.

Did I mention she is brillant? Of course convention would beg to differ and her delayed milestones tell a different story, but the little girl I know is brillant. I couldn't care less if I am the only one who thinks so.

But I digress...once I stopped worrying that she would be mentally incapacitated and my acceptance grew alongside my knowledge, I began to cling to her good health. Secretly I reveled in her good health as if it were a sign that it could all be so much worse. Which of course is a form of disablism itself...even if I wasn't make value judgements, I was comparing, wasn't I? Not cool.

Again with fate. My son was born with a heart defect. Yes, he really was. Now we had to go through the surgery I was so proud we avoided; had to meet with the specialists i never wanted to know. That,of course, made me face the value I had been putting on a healthy body...even if it did have an extra chromosome.

Today I am still uncomfortable with some disabilities; with some people. And by "some people" I mean those with and without disabilities. I am very uncomfortable around people who demonstrate an atypical zeal for their religious beliefs, for example.

So am I disablist? Yes I guess parts of me still are; I guess I still have lots of "isms" that I don't want to have. I have only been in this world of disability...or rather I have only allowed myself to see this world for a little over three years. I have faith that I will get there...eventually.

Like you, I am trying. I am striving...always changing and like the nature of acceptance, ever evolving.

It turns out my daughter and son have already raised me more than I them. I plan on making them proud someday.

Thank you again for such an honest and provoking entry. We should all be so brave.

Anonymous said...

So where are the self-reflective posts by nondisabled folks about ability, bodily privilege, fear of people with cognitive disabilities, or even angst about becoming impaired?

Honestly? If I really said what I thought and signed my name to it, I'd be lynched on the Internet by everyone with a disability.

Yeah, I have major fears of cognitive disabilities. Most of my relatives have died long, slow, and hard from degenerative diseases. I've dealt with that stuff since kindergarten. Right now I'm "lucky" in that most of my ill relatives have died off, so I'm only dealing with one right now who's incapacitated and has her mind gone, rather than a bunch at once as per usual.

I'm terrified of getting disabled. And I'd rather kill myself than go through it myself if/when I get diagnosed with one or more of those diseases that run in the family. I've seen what dealing with it did to my surviving relatives and dying relatives, and so sue me, but I don't feel like their lives were worthwhile after awhile. I don't want to remember my relatives best as vegetables in a bed, but I do. I don't want that to happen to me. But disabled activists would disagree, and saying what I just said is being hateful to them.

Now, if most of my exposure had been to people who still had their brain power, or weren't declining all the time and were "stable" and I could still relate to and communicate with them, perhaps I'd feel differently. When I am around people like that, I get along with them fine. But degeneratively diseased people freak me right the hell out. And I practically have a life Ph.D in dealing with them- there is no justifiable way that I should still be uncomfortable around them. And yet, I am.

I will admit that I am a horrible person because I enjoy not having to go to caregiver's support group any more, don't have to spend every single day at the nursing home, can actually go somewhere without having a major production to get someone in and out of the house, can have coherent conversations with people who can communicate back, now that my local ill relatives are dead. I am grateful that my remaining ill relative lives in another state and can't be moved, so I don't have to watch her deteriorate and have that burned into my brain again. I am terrified of the day that my remaining parent gets a disease, since I am an only child and you bet your ass the rest of my family won't be helping, because my mother is the family caregiver for everyone who's ill.

If you REALLY want to "have a dialogue" (which to be honest, I don't think you do) with "the other side," well... I don't think you could encourage open and honest speech on this. Or would want to. And that's why there's no way in hell I'll sign anything to this, or even read this thread again after I hit the button, because I don't want to hear about how awful I am.

Is that what you wanted to know?

MrSoul said...

"Is that what you wanted to know?"

LOL. Dear anonymous, we already knew all of this, before you could even articulate it. We know you are afraid. You radiate it. You have an AURA. I can spot you in a crowd, and so can Blue. That was the point of her post. Her question was, how do you feel about that, and yes, you answered it: proud as hell. (Hey, have you met Hugo? ARE you Hugo?)

And FTR, you aren't worried ONE FUCKING IOTA about offending US, since you pointedly just did, with aplomb. No, you are "anonymous" only to make sure you don't offend other able-bodied people (they are the ones who really count)---since that might compromise your liberal/progressive cred, you cowardly shit.

What I want to know is (and I don't speak for Blue), do you think you should be as proud as you obviously are, of hating us as much as you do?

I really don't care if you despise me, since I'm quite used to it-- it's the unapologetic preening and strutting about it that really gets to me.

Penny L. Richards said...

There was a time when white people could say, without apology, "I'm just not comfortable around black people," and that would be accepted as an excuse for all kinds of discriminatory (and hateful) behaviors. But we don't accept that excuse anymore--too bad you're not comfortable, you still have to act within the law. Get over it.

Now with disablism, we're a few generations behind the civil rights movement, but I do think it's time to say "Get over it." I don't care if you, Anonymous, are "freaked out" by people with various impairments--you don't get to set up a world that excludes such people from your life. Your discomfort is your problem. But when you say "their lives aren't worth living," that's hate speech, just as bad if you said it about people of color.

imfunnytoo said...

Much as my lousy grumpy side wants to say...the *heck* with the able who are uncomfortable...

This post and all its comments tell me differently.

Any change can't come fast enough...

Blue, marvelous post

*Someone* from the able will eventually wish for open dialogue....

If not today...soon.

Karen said...

Ah yes, that fear-- we call it the "deer in the headlights" look.

Sara said...

I'm going to admit here and now that I'm freaked out that other people are freaked out.

I'm not just being funny, or trying to be. It was shocking to me to discover while I was still going around in a wheelchair without my prosthetic, and then later when I started going out in public in -- gasp! -- shorts how very freaked out other people get. It is still shocking, and it pisses me off. I want to scream, "Oh grow up!"

You know what else freaks me out? War. The cost of medications. The way the people who pick our fruit live in places like, yes, California, where every day is your lucky day according to the ads. Honestly, knowing someone has a broken spine or not "enough" parts or whatever -- is this really scary? Really? Is speaking to that person as a human even knowing what you know about the state of their body really so horribly daunting?

Why?

My true love tries to calm me down by reminding me that human beings are not rational. This just freaks me out worse.

Gah.

(Sorry to come back here and ramble on, but honestly!)

Rachel's Tavern said...

Hugo really annoyed me with that response.

Mr Soul asked about diability, and Hugo went on a tangent about "fitness" and being stewards of our bodies...yada, yada, yada.

I tried to redirect him to no avail, but denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Rachel's Tavern said...

Oh and, many so called liberal progressive folks are not the least bit progressive on disability. I learned that after the Ashley Treatment thread I put up on Alas. That was a freaking train wreck.

I didn't even say much in the post other than I didn't like it, and I thought some of the parents' statements were really wrong.

Anyways, a big issue for the feminists is abortion. And that is where much of their disablism shows through. Ok I don't want to derail too much, so I'll stop.

MrSoul said...

Penny, my grandfather was one of those who said "I am not comfortable around---" and you'll find people who still say that about "out" gay people, particularly if they are traditionally religious. Progressives have usually been able to name that so-called "discomfort" for what it is, but not in OUR case, which is something that drives me crazy. I think we need to start using the term disability-phobic, to raise awareness about this, as in the descriptive and accurate term "homophobia"

Rachel writes: "Oh and, many so called liberal progressive folks are not the least bit progressive on disability..."

So true... I just went through some of my favorite blogs, and as Blue has said before, if I made "disability awareness" a prerequisite for reading and/or posting, it would be pretty slim pickings!

BTW, I am pretty sure Hugo wrote that last anonymous post, since he didn't reply to MY last post on his blog. I mentioned this blog in my reply to him, and I think that diatribe was also intended as a reply to me.

Rachel's Tavern said...

Mr Soul,
You know you put Hugo in a tough spot there. Not with the original question, but he may not be ready to come out with the D-word to describe whatever mental health issue he talked about.

It's really hard to be vulnerable like that, and Hugo already has some body images issues and many people tease him about it. When he was on NPR about rate my professor, he was talking about how some people on the site said that he's fat. He was really empahtic that he's not fat. I felt bad for him because people were teasing him about it in the comments section, when it clearly it was a sore spot for him.

I'm not defending his response because it was pretty clear to me that it was really far away from what you were asking. Maybe the whole exchange will give him a chance to be reflective--whether it's online or off.

MrSoul said...

Rachel, yeah, I know... thing is, if you are going to present yourself as an anti-sexist man, you should get in touch with your feelings, as we used to say. Speaking personally, I never had a choice about that--I was in touch with my feelings when I was 8 years old and getting the hell beat outta me. I remember thinking, damn, what's THIS about? Later, feminists (who were also nice enough to marry me, twice) explained these interpersonal dynamics to me: why boys are bullies, how it connects to male behavior in general (as a form of "policing" the gender boundaries), and the unique position I was in, to
challenge it. And I have tried to keep my end of the bargain ever since. Disablism (or whatever word you choose) is connected to sexism on a very deep level.

I would link my infamous CARECURE thread about the movie "Murderball"--but I hate to link to a cure-oriented bulletin board. If you want some entertainment, Google it, and you can witness the spectacle of me getting roasted alive as a pansy for 36 pages! (Still, I learned a lot from that experience.)

I would think Hugo knows all of this, too, being Male Feminist of the Year and all. :p

nekrosys said...

Excellent article! I had the same "intellectual bias" growing up.

Elizabeth McClung said...

Excellent comments and blog and touching on several of my own current struggles (the Christian view that a person MUST always try to be better - regardless of the reality). I similarly feel that Hugo is pretty happy with Hugo and doesn't particularly want to meet me (first as the lesbian, now as the disabled lesbian, third as the pissed off disabled lesbian).

The second is your comments about intellect and disability. Growing up I had many aspects that some would have labelled me as a person with disability (poor immune system, scoliocis, legally blind, unable to walk much or run for a couple years) - but I never considered myself in that way because I was really smart and so I sucked at PE and scared teachers to death at what question might come out of my mouth - I had something better than running (didn't really have have an unstanding of disability then).

Now, as things happen, I have conditions which are reducing my intellegence and my ability to communicate. I am running up against some mental Stephen Hawkins in my head of "who cares how bad it gets as long as you are brillant" - but when I lose the ability to think clearly as well?

So your post had me thinking a lot - which I hope was the point - and I hope I got the point or am getting it - if not, I just keep reading it again until I do.

Blue / Kay Olson said...

Emily Elizabeth: What a beautiful little essay about your children! Thank you for sharing it. I don't know if it's fate, as you suggest, or what, but there often does seem to be a sense of irony at work in life.

Mr. Soul: I agree with you in many ways (and I'll come back to that in a minute), but I also agree with Rachel that Hugo is in a tough spot, and not just because he missed what you were asking in a post apparently dedicated to answering your question. I pretty much singled him out here, mainly because of the syncronicity of his post and the one I was working on.

The problem is that the lack of exploration of ableism by nondisabled folks (or people who don't want to identify as disabled) is hard to point to when it's largely silence and roundabout hostility and discomfort. So much silence and denial leaves many people unsure what ableism is when they see it -- and gives other greater deniability when they blatantly express it. ("What do you mean 'retard' is offensive to mentally retarded people? I was using it to insult so and so, I wasn't talking about actually challenged people.")

Really, most liberal bloggers (and certainly other bloggers, but it's the liberal ones who claim to support us now and then) lack as much or more disability awareness as they do an understanding of women's issues. It just has never been named and catalogued. No one has been pointing it out like, for example, the feminist blogs have been following Kos' sexism. The naming of ableism present everywhere is invisible in the larger blogosphere dialogue. I'm hoping that changes sometime soon.

I'm particularly bothered by the defense that one shouldn't or doesn't want to address topics one doesn't know much about. Apply that to any other social justice issue where a person of conscience knows they hold the privilege and the logic fails completely.

Blue / Kay Olson said...

I don't have much of a response to Anonymous, particularly because of the snark and trollish behavior. And Mr. Soul, Penny, and Sara expressed how I feel about it.

Mr. Soul: Right on. The hatred isn't any secret. We see it in the ableist's face and words. Anonymous is a useful example of the reality out there. S/he basically says "I had some bad experiences growing up and so, yeah, I don't like you and am filled with self-loathing, but will keep my thinly-veiled hatred of you and your kind, thank you." I expect I'll be referring back to this coment the next time I hear someone claim that discomfort with disabled folks is really just ignorance or lack of experience. Like other hate, it becomes willful at some point.

On the point of not wanting dialogue though... hello? I asked for a dialogue, that's the whole point of this post. To troll anonymously with the reasoning that I and other disabled people don't want to talk about the fear and ignorance that others use to poison our lives (and we can occasionally poison ourselves with) is the height of obnoxious hypocrisy. Afraid we'll "lynch" you? Yeah, if you simply spout hate, we'll look for the nearest accessible tree. But if you want the actual dialogue about fear, we're ready for it.

The irony is that we're the canaries in the coalmine. We're looking for access to public spaces, ways to live more wholly in the face of medicalization, options to the inhumane situations disabled people and their families are put in because of cultural beliefs, obsolete public policies, and lack of health care insurance. We're exploring and working through everything that terrifies and angers anonymous and we might have a shred or two of wisdom among us somewhere about what anonymous can't bear to face but someday clearly will, or will again, or will continually. It's so absurd to be targeted as the enemy -- we might just be, collectively, the explorers sent ahead.

Blue / Kay Olson said...

Rachel, I get the sense from the other disabled bloggers I've talked with about it that most all of us abandoned threads like your Ashley thread at Alas fairly early on. The disrespect we got for even contributing was too relentless, too intense. But I'm glad you started it.

Elizabeth McClung: So your post had me thinking a lot - which I hope was the point - and I hope I got the point or am getting it - if not, I just keep reading it again until I do.

Honestly? The point was to write something about BADD and finish it on time. And to bring a little bit of the rage and frustration I usually don't express. The occasion called for it.

Attila The Mom said...

Oh geez, I'm going to hog a bit of your comments section!

I've been thinking about a part of your post all day, and I STILL have not been able to come up with an appropriate answer, as a full-abled-body-person. But it's been bugging me. Arrgghh.

So here's my best shot.

I'm writing in response to the part of your post that addresses Raznor's comment and Little Light's response.

Possibly some people react the way Little Light surmises, but I'm not one of them. I know that I'm speaking only for myself, but I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only able-bodied person who feels this way.

Generalizations work both ways, and it's a real quandary.

Say we're in a grocery store. I'm walking down the aisle with my cart, and you're coming towards me from the opposite end.

I don't usually shop when the store is wall-to-wall people, so if I have to pass in front of someone who's perusing stuff on my side, I always say "excuse us!" If I pass someone and we make eye contact, I smile and say "Hey!"

I always look at faces when we pass. I never look away. I'm a sociable person, but I'm not a forceful person.

So whether you're in a wheelchair or not, I'm not going to try to force a response from you just because we're passing in an aisle. I hate when people do that to me. If you're deliberately looking away from me when we pass I'm not going to get into your face and talk you up. I'm not ignoring you, or avoiding you because I don't want to contemplate my own ultimate fate of having a disabling condition.

I wouldn't get in any able-bodied person's face and talk them up either.

And if I did it, JUST because you're in a wheelchair, wouldn't that be disabilist and pretty damn patronizing?

It's harder to know what to do when my kid makes a comment in front of you about your wheels.

Since we're all individuals, maybe you are someone who doesn't feel the need to educate others, and that's perfectly ok---I'm not passing a judgement. Maybe you're not feeling well, or have had a bad day and just want to be left alone. Maybe you've been through this entire scenario 7 times already today and you're exhausted by having to explain it all to the inquisitive small fry.

It would be as presumptuous (and intrusive) of me to stand there and expect you to "explain yourself" to my kid as it would for me to do it in front of you.

I don't know if I should impose on you by asking, because you may very well tell me and my kid to go to Hades. Since we don't know each other, either scenario could make me out to be an indifferent and inconsiderate asshat in your opinion, when truly, it's only because I'm not sure what to do.

Sunny Dreamer wrote a great post about Wheelchair Etiquette for our blog day, but this part isn't covered.

I don't want to force myself or my kid on you. I don't want to speak for you or in front of you, either.

It's so hard to know what to do.

And Kay, I'm not talking about "you" personally. LOL

I really love your blog. You make me think about so many things. :-)

Anonymous said...

"Canaries in the coal mine"

I like that analogy.

Rachel's Tavern said...

I didn't even want to read that Ashley thread anymore, but there was a woman (can't remember her name--I think the mother of a disabled child.), who came in late to the comments and tried to salvage something from that post.

Post the blatant bigotry angered me--and the fact that feminists could even get the fact that this was a reproductive rights issue.

Elizabeth is great --I love the pissed off disabled lesbian comment :) You need to create a blog with that name.

MrSoul said...

My wife, who can usually cut to the chase when I can't, read Hugo's remarks about "staying healthy and fit, to be of service" and said: In short, he is saying disabled people aren't ALSO of service.

Right! Wish I'd said that! ;)

MrSoul said...

Wheelchair/gimp etiquette is different in different places. New Yorkers will promptly pick you up if you fall on your face, and then walk on without even saying "hello"--which to me is weird! OTOH, southerners say hello--or "hey!"--to EVERYBODY, therefore if they don't say hello to you, it is evidence of disability-phobia and avoidance.

I am curious about gimp-etiquette elsewhere.

Sharon said...

Your post is very thought provoking, as are the comments left.

It reminded me of a friend I see sometimes. Our children are friends. She's aware of my views of autism and how I feel that my son is not in need of a cure. She's outspoken, and has told me and I recall, the mother of a child with lots of disabilities, that she would never want to have a child like ours 'cause she wants life to be as easy as possible for her children and life is hard enough without disability. She also said she wouldn't abort if she was pregnant and antenatel testing indicated illness or disability.
I've never tried very hard to discuss this with her. But I'm always kinda pissed off about this revelation.

Blue / Kay Olson said...

Attila the Mom: I'd agree that Little Light's response doesn't explain everyone's behavior. The problem is that once stigma of some sort sets someone apart, efforts of others to treat that person equally to the unstigmatized can end up being an approximation rather than the real thing.

For example, a white woman passing a black man on the street, eager to silently express to the man that she isn't afraid of him despite societal stereotypes of the black man, might nod or say "hello" as they pass, but she's still consciously mediating the moment in ways unnecessary if no stigma or societal stereotype exists. Like the law of science that says something observed changes in the observing, I suspect once that stigma is identified it goes into play, however successfully various people manage to handle it, or to the varying degrees that people are taught to see that difference as stigma.

I suppose the goal of wiping out racism or ableism or sexism is to teach people both to not see the differences as stigma and to teach them to make the knowledge of that stigma, where it does still appear, unimportant and unnoticed. If the difference between never seeing the stigma and managing it so well no one knows you see it is indistinguishable, does it matter whether the stigma is seen or not? I'm not sure. There is a difference between someone treating you well because it never occured to them to treat you badly and someone treating you well despite what they've been taught.

I have surely noticed people in grocery stores or situations similar to what you describe making an effort to treat me well, kind but unintrusive. And I'm sure there are people who've done so with such skill that I haven't noticed, or wasn't watching, or even perhaps someone who didn't see bodily difference and disability as something they needed to socially manage in any way.

It's not that I disbelieve or disagree with what you describe as your behavior here:

So whether you're in a wheelchair or not, I'm not going to try to force a response from you just because we're passing in an aisle. I hate when people do that to me. If you're deliberately looking away from me when we pass I'm not going to get into your face and talk you up. I'm not ignoring you, or avoiding you because I don't want to contemplate my own ultimate fate of having a disabling condition.

It's exactly the approach I try to take generally too. But it does sound like a mediated response (when you or I do it) rather than one where we're free from seeing stigma at all. In that sense I think both you and Little Light can be exactly right.

Amethyst said...

Blue Wrote: "Like the law of science that says something observed changes in the observing, I suspect once that stigma is identified it goes into play, however successfully various people manage to handle it, or to the varying degrees that people are taught to see that difference as stigma."

Very true, as I found out the hard way more than once in college. I'm epiliptic or was, and shortly before I told my doctors 'no more, I'm done listening to you' I worked for the summer in a park. No one knew I was on meds until someone asked one day. The immediate reaction was 'Why didn't you tell us....' or the RANT. My response was it was none of there business, I had been seizure free(of the visible ones) for more than 10 yrs. They of course are visulizing me falling on the ground in spasms, not the occasional arm jerk or staring off into space ones...

Then there are the ones who assume my lisp (I have difficultly with certion sounds when speaking) means I'm slightly retarded. It happened in a job once, where the manger or a supervisor asked my ex-boyfriend if I that was the case. He started to laugh, and said I was studying Geology at the college. But I know the impression is there, and it doesn't things any easier.

Blue / Kay Olson said...

Hey sis! :)

(smooch)

David McDonald said...

Funny, after reading the post and ensuing comments, I came to a realization. I fear NOT being accepted by people with disabilities. Being able bodied with no heavy duty cognitive issues seems to play on my already entrenched white-man's-guilt.

I've also experienced this fear when hanging out with groups of gay people and people of color.

I think it may have to do with growing up with a physically abusive father. When i was a kid he'd go on a drinking bender and often wind up beating on my mom or any of my 3 siblings, but not me. I was the youngest, and I guess by the time I'd reached the beating age he'd mellowed some.

It took me a long time to realize this and then work through it to where I now feel fortunate instead of guilty.

I think at some point I became desensitized to what people think of me. I'd much rather like and respect myself for what I do than be liked by others for shutting up.