A very long post on niqab-wearing teachers, feminism and disability
There's some fascinating discussion going on at some feminist blogs about the case of Aishah Azmi, a muslim woman in Britain who teaches at a London school while wearing the niqab. School officials have reportedly asked her to remove the face mask while teaching the children because some children have complained of not understanding her clearly. Azmi is a bilingual assistant teacher and many of these children are learning English as a second language.
Feminists seem to be divided on the issue of dress for muslim women generally, with some believing that coverings linked to the muslim faith are always misogynist and others believing that any mandate of women's dress that controls how much of bodies are covered or revealed is the problem, including a country or employer that requires female muslims to not wear a veil. The former claim cultural relativism of the latter and the latter claim insensitivity to the choices of nonwestern or nonwhite women of the former. Well, in a nutshell. There's been much volatile and bitter blogging around the same old issue of white feminists not including the concerns, cultures and realities of women of color in their politics lately as well.
I want to look at this specific case of Aishah Azmi and the discussion on some feminist blogs where disability has come up in more than one context.
At Feministe, where author Jill supports Azmi, commenter Sunrunner says:
I am sorry, but I am going to have to disagree with this. I would not want my child in a class that is taught by a teacher whose face cannot be seen. Think about it–how is a child supposed to feel? Have you ever had an extended conversation with someone wearing a niqab? It is much harder to pick up on social cues . . . is she happy or unhappy with what I am saying? This sort of visual feedback is extremely important to children.Jill responds:
Just out of curiosity, would you oppose your child being taught by someone with a facial deformity?Meanwhile, Gordon K notes:
...Access to facial expression and all of the facial cues that we call “lip reading” is extremely important in learning a language, particularly for students who are deaf, hard of hearing, or apraxic (and many of these students are mainstreamed). So is it appropriate to take a job teaching such a class if you are going to wear a veil?In a reference to the ADA, Sally says:
I’m wondering if it would be useful to apply the “reasonable accomodation” standard that’s used in the U.S. with regards to disabled people. If your religious practice seriously affects your fundamental ability to do your job, that’s a problem. If it merely makes people uncomfortable or requires some extra effort from your employer, then religious freedom trumps.Most commenters in this thread at Feministe believe discrimination of some kind (religion, gender) is at play regardless of their opinion on whether a teacher in Azmi's position should be fully veiled. This includes Leederick, who says:
Wearing a veil hampers her ability to do her job. It makes it particularly difficult for children who are hard of hearing. Her job’s teaching children, and I do think interaction and being able to see someone’s face is very important there.Meanwhile, Sunrunner responds to Jill:
Of course I would not object to my child being taught by a woman with a facial deformity! Anyway, I would assume that if a person is able to speak (necessary for teaching and caring for children) she has the capacity for some kind of facial expression. It is not at all the same thing as a blank, black mask.In fact, this assumption is not correct. While I have some "capacity" for facial expression, many of my facial muscles were the first affected by my neuromuscular disease and the dimple I had in my left cheek hasn't been seen for about 30 years. If you run into it, let me know. But anyone who knows me personally (except those who have known me exclusively in the past year) can tell you that some people with very limited capacity for facial expressions rarely let other people get a word in edgewise. Even just communicating on paper lately, I rarely shut up. Anyway, while facial muscles do effect pronunication and clarity, inability to use most of them has no impact on the amount of speech a person can produce.
Interestingly though, I have been accused of having a blank mask of a face by someone angry with me in a conversation we were holding. "Icy demeanor" was part of the accusation and it was used to undermine my point-of-view (which was unrelated to disability). My language was understood perfectly. The emotional content of my argument was, perhaps, not understood. So, no facial deformity here, just a "blank... mask."
Discussion at Creative Destruction includes a debate about whether or not seeing a teacher's mouth is necessary for learning a language. It's noted that blind people manage to acquire speech without sight. And there's the comment that blind people have special powers in their use of their other senses, but children should be afforded every sense possible to learn. Much like the ironic invisibility of deaf muslim children or devout muslim women who use sign language -- which I presume exist and manage to communicate somewhere in this wide world -- blind children don't come up in this discussion.
Robert, whom I believe to be the "Bob Hayes" author of the CR post, says:
So as long as a teacher is only handicapping some of her students’ ability to have a successful life, it’s OK?Language is fascinating throughout this multi-blog discussion. When I find time, I'll post about a muslim woman's ironic use of language and imagery in defense of wearing the niqab in Britain's The Sunday Times.
But Robert's comment brings us to PunkAssBlog. Post author R. Mildred writes:
If a class of 6 - 12 year olds needs to see the teachers lips to understand her ... then I assume she has the training to deal with a special ed class and when she say “the kids can understand me fine” (as she has done) we can pretty much take her word on it - and if she’s teaching deaf kids she should need to be able to sign anyway and that she wears a niqab is an incidental side note that isn’t really relevent.I don't plan to step into the deaf politics minefield that is oralism versus sign language here, but I do want to note that not all deaf children are taught with sign language. On the other hand, R. Mildred does take it for granted that being muslim and deaf aren't mutually exclusive -- or more specifically, being a niqab-wearing woman and being familiar with deafness and sign language -- and I appreciate that.
If you aren't fascinated already, here's where I think the discussion gets riveting. Sunrunner, commenting here as well, links to a Guardian article by a non-veil-wearing muslim woman journalist who dons the niqab for 24 hours and, as expected, finds it completely oppressive.
Then, R. Mildred basically claims that a teacher wearing a niqab could provide children with a superior education to those who learn language while relying on the ability to see their teacher's full face:
The niqab doesn’t even hide as much facial information as people assume, it just takes a bit of familiarity to get used to reading the eyes without the landmarks.hell, if a child learns to communicate from a woman wearing a niqab, she’s had a masterclass in reading people’s faces, give them a full face and they’ll be able to read people’s minds.
Lack is described as an asset. Sounds just a little like some disability rights arguments that impairments or inabilities have their own inherent values.
When I studied status in theatre class (by which I mean, the unconcious perceived status that two people feel when relating to each other– not talking about social class here– a king can play low status to a chimney sweep), I learned through experience that anything which makes it harder to read your expression enhances your perceived status in other people’s eyes. So, for instance, sunglasses naturally increase your status because people cannot see your eyes moving; they even may get the sensation that you are calmly staring straight into their eyes at all times, even if you’re really just looking everywhere at once nervously.... Anyway, I imagine a veil would probably act in a similar fashion."Anything?" I disagree with this statement for more than one reason, but from a perspective of my experience as it relates to not just disability but perceived difference (before I was visibly impaired in any other way) I find it to be untrue. Status comes from elsewhere than this.
Responding to Sunrunner's link of the "veil-for-a day" Guardian article, Sly Civilian says:
Gah! I’ve got really serious objections to using that narrative as an anti-veiling argument. Ask anyone in disabilities activism if it’s a good idea to put somebody in a wheelchair “for a day” to show them what it’s really like.Temporary “adoption” of a social, physical, cultural, whatever barrier is NOT the same thing as durable inhabitance of an idenity constructed in response to that fact. The tourist has none of the knowlege, experience, support, training, or coping stratagies, and experiences “disability” in a completely artificial and unrealistic fashion. By selective appropriation or by revulsion, the tourist response almost always lacks grounding or respect.
While the author wrote of her concern of exploring her Muslim idenity in this way, I’m worried that consumption of this article as anti-veil is to miss what this experience is and isn’t. For one thing, it is NOT an accurate representation of what daily life is like for a woman wearing the niqab. Definitionally, a tourist (even one from a nearby country) is not the same as a native.
To that very last, I'll note that it's also not the same as wearing a niqab because you wish to. This slides away from the topic of Azmi and her students, but it is true that the current wisdom among disability activists is that crip-for-a-day programs might do more harm than good. Yet I believe Sunrunner misunderstands Sly Civilian's point because in response there is this:
Oh, so you are comparing veiling to being disabled?
A disability is NOT a choice, a veil is (sometimes). One chooses to wear it for a day or a month or a year or a lifetime, but one does not choose to be disabled. One simply is or is not.
Along with eventually saying she(?) agrees about disability simulations, Sunrunner adds:
Anyway, my point was that it is ludicrous to compare a woman who choose to wear a veil in a country in which it is not mandated with another woman who is confined to a motorized wheelchair due to a life threatening disabling illness. So if my anger is stupid, it is no more stupid than your stupid analogy.Despite what Sunrunner declares, I find the comparison is being made all over the place. Azmi is declared disabled by the veil, her niqab is compared to facial deformity, her ability to communicate is debated with regard to sight, hearing and other physical ability. The ADA and "reasonable accommodation" are invoked. Words like "handicapping" are used. Some commenters address Azmi's abilities, some address the childrens' possible disabilities. Commenters relate their own various disabling learning experiences.These Western feminist debates struggle to balance the religious and cultural freedom of muslim women with freedom from misogynist limits religion and culture make on muslim women's lives. Race is also a factor. And it's clear disability is too, though the thoughts of disabled muslim women (feminists?) are not present here. The niqab-wearing disabled women know these issues intimately and undoubtedly struggles to find balance as well. I know they're out there. But silent in -- or silenced from -- this particular online debate.
There was an anonymous non-signing deaf commenter on PunkAssBlog:
As long as disability has been introduced here, any deaf children in the classroom would be required to ask her to remove her veil if they wanted to understand her, or be removed to another classroom if she refused. And before any of you pile on me, *I* was that non signing deaf child in the class who constantly had to teach her teachers not to face the blackboard, to look at us, etc. To this day I still have to educate my teachers (I continue taking classes in all kinds of things.) Access to the visual expression on someone’s face is critically important for me and other non signing deaf. It is not a choice. It is not “some whitey” making glib objections. It’s a fight against ableism or disablism (pick your country).I don't know if "anonymous" was truly heard. Neither R. Mildred or Jill, the original posters at PunkAss and Feministe, respectively, have appeared to consider the intersection of disability, though it's part of the discussion everywhere.




24 comments:
"Anyway, I would assume that if a person is able to speak (necessary for teaching and caring for children) she has the capacity for some kind of facial expression"
Just a point: Speech is not "necessary for teaching and caring for children." There are plenty of Deaf, sign-only mothers that do just fine, with hearing or deaf children in their care. The hearing kids of Deaf parents can still learn to speak, AND sign--they're bilingual/bicultural, just like the children of Japanese-speaking adults in a majority English-speaking country will generally learn to speak English AND Japanese, for example. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
(Penny, I think that is a reference to the woman being discussed. She teaches ESL and I am pretty sure speech is required for teaching English).
As someone who teaches ESL, I must say that with low-level English speakers, especially young children, I do tend to rely on a lot of facial expression and action to define new words for them. A certain number of words for each new story we read are translated into Korean on a vocabulary sheet, but anything outside of those words I have to exmplain myself. Since I don't speak Korean, I rely a lot on body language and facial expression. However, I would imagine that teaching children in a country where English is the dominant language would be an entirely different experience.
Yeah, I'm sure it was, I just didn't want the mistaken generalization to stand unnoted. And I should have said "mothers and fathers," of course.
Hmm. I definitely didn't mean to imply that wearing a niqab is like having a disability. But I still like the idea of the ADA standard as the standard for religious freedom at work. (This isn't entirely my idea, for what it's worth. I think Berube was the person who came up with the idea that "reasonable accomodation" was a good way of talking about social justice in general.) That gets at the difference between wearing a hijab and refusing to dispense birth control pills, I think. And also, reasonable accomodation seems much more... reasonable... than the current U.S. rule on religious discrimination, which is that it's ok for the government to pass a law or regulation that is in effect discriminatory, as long as its intent wasn't discriminatory. (In practice, this results in things like prisons being allowed to serve prisoners food that violates their religiously-mandated dietary restrictions or the military being allowed to force soldiers to take off yarmulkes or other religiously-sanctioned but basically unobtrusive clothing.) I'm fishing around for other language with which to deal with religious freedom, language which realizes that religious freedom can't be unlimited (ie you can't kill witches, even if the Bible tells you to), but that religious minorities deserve a bit more consideration than we currently seem to be getting in the U.S. and Western Europe. And the "reasonable accomodation" standard, which is already there in U.S. law in one respect, seems like a possible place to start.
I honestly don't know whether wearing a niqab interferes with one's ability to teach ESL. I think that's probably a question that's going to be pretty hard to answer acurately in the current political climate, which makes this debate about everything but actual pedagogy.
Sally
Interesting and thought-provoking.
I made the comment about blind people having better other senses, which of course, was sort of simplified. But IIRC my neuroscience, the visual core of blind people (who have been that for long) is just as active as that of seeing people, practically meaning that blind people use the areas of brain that others use for analyzing visual information for other things (and thus develop better use of other senses).
I can't remember how generalizable this is, though.
This is pedantic, but it was my comment that linked to PunkAssBlog, not Roberts.
Sunrunner is a Muslim woman, to my knowledge.
I'll be accused of oversimplifying but...
If a woman who has made the lifelong choice to partially or fully veil and *does not feel* oppressed by that choice, and has made work arounds that make her a truly effective educator whether she is veiled or not, then I say she is not oppressed by the veil and more, her full religious expression is allowed and necessary...
The other side of the coin: If someone felt forced into veiling and has kept to that lifelong out of a sense of duty, but sees it not as complimentary but oppressive, then it is... it depends on how the woman behind the veil views that veil, doesn't it?
It sounds insulting in the original debate in the British papers to have someone from another culture insist that their view of "oppression" is the correct one.
Blue,
Thank you for bringing a much needed layer of complexity to the language being used in this latest debate.
I've mentioned this piece in the comments section at www.brownfemipower.com.
What I find most compelling in your post is how ~ for me ~ the either/or language undergirding this latest round of discussions gets hung up in light of how you expose the underpinnings of disability language.
Does that make sense?
The woman is question is not a teacher. She is a teaching assistant, i.e. not a qualified teacher and not responsible for teaching the class.
Just another tidbit: the language of "reasonable accommodation" in regards to religious discrimination is in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964:
http://www.eeoc.gov/types/religion.html
So using a "reasonable accommodation" approach here wouldn't be borrowing the concept from the ADA--rather, the ADA borrowed the concept from earlier civil rights legislation.
visual cues, oralism, etc...
Just as no one strategy or culture of deafness exists, i think it's similarly impossible to assume that every single teacher can be a good match for every student.
like anonymous the last said, it is crucuial for some students to have visual cues, and that student deserves to be assigned to a teacher who can do that. the broad expectation should be that teachers are responsible for making education acessible to their students. but individual mismatches are not cause for blanket regulations. if individual selection does not produce bias, segregation, or other ill effects, i think of it as a neutral remedy.
the point of my comparisons were to bring attention to trying to valorize a broad spectrum of cultural choices in response to marginality. just because someone theoretically could change from signing to oralism, or take off or reduce a veil does not mean social pressure ought to be applied in those cases. choice is the sina qua non of autonomy.
I need to clear up that I am not a practicing Muslim woman. I was at one time and lived as part of a Muslim family in a Muslim culture. During that time, I did wear hijab--but not consistently, but I wore it (as many many other Muslim women do) "as appropriate" balancing faith and the needs of the outer culture which could shift depending on circumstance. I never wore it while in the US. This is true of a great many Muslim women who live in situations in which it is not expected/demanded by the local dominant culture--which does make a huge difference in many women's choice in this respect because family honor is so important in Islam. I am not saying that there aren't many women who embrace it for religious or political reasons wholeheartedly, I am just saying that there are as many reasons for doing so as there are women. However, I will say that as the dress becomes more "conservative" so do the rules governing behavior. One is inextricably connected to the other. Which is why this case in Britain is so strange.
Now this is the difficult part. As I said honor is incredibly important in Muslim culures, so I also know that just as many women would find it insulting to be considered "inferior" because they are muslim, most women I have know (unless they have been "re-conditioned" by some sort of education process) would also take offense at being called disabled, which leads me to a more difficult point: attitudes toward disability are "generally" pretty unelightened in the Islamic world (though, there are some notable people doing good work in the middle east -- I have no idea what is going on in western Islamic communities).
In general, disability is considered to be a misfortune worthy of pity at best and in many cases shunning (there is a lot of baggage around concepts such as the evil eye and "deformity"). It was not something I was comfortable listening to or trying to debate (I had very little luck in changing attitudes about ANYTHING), and I ever made any headway on that one (try explaining why pity is insulting to a people who considers it to be a virtue). I had similar difficult conversations regarding race. Not pretty and not something I like to remember.
At any rate, according to Islamic law, I am now an apostate. I consider myself an agnostic.
Regarding visual cues, I think there is ample evidence that most children rely on them for all kinds of reasons, not just in terms of learning language. It is hard-wired into the way in which we develop. Any cursory examination into the research which has studied the way in which a child's brain develops makes it clear how important visual cues are for brain development is in children who can saee. Blind children must learn from day one to rely on their hearing; they develop compensatory neural pathways so to speak. Even so, they are not necessarily unaffected -- they can have difficulty learning to speak. I was told by a blind woman that she often felt disadvantaged that she could not read the faces of those around her in the way that sighted people do, she said that for her that was more difficult than mobility issues.
And when it comes to children, I become very uncomfortable when people begin to speak of "choice."
At any rate, the more I learn about the particulars of this particular case, it is obvious that what was a strange little episode the more difficult it is to apply "conventional wisdom" to it. There is a clip on the bbc website in which a bullying interviewer was questioning the former aid. Really awful in the way he goes about it, and he is obviously intent on intimidating her (like Jack Straw and his female constituents). But it was, I think, extremely significant that she did not want to answer the question regarding her employment interview. There may have been a good reason for her discomfort. For a niqab-wearing woman to remove her veil in front of a non-mahram man is a potentially serious issue in terms of her family honor, particularly if her husband and/or other male relatives are "invested" in whether or not she is wearing it. A Muslim interviewer would've known that and would've understood the potential stakes at forcing her to answer such a question on international television. It just never would've been done in a more respectful and aware setting.
Sorry for the rambling on . . .
The woman is question is not a teacher. She is a teaching assistant, i.e. not a qualified teacher and not responsible for teaching the class.
If she is in there to help ESL students, then she is teaching them ESL. Being qualified or not isn't entirely relevant (for example, most ESL teachers who teach in Asian countries do not hold Education degrees), if in her actions she teaches, she is a teacher.
I think what makes a good teacher goes above and beyond a degree, or facial expression, or so many other things. Do the kids like her? Do they enjoy learning from her? Is their English improving?
If she is an effective teacher regardless of our theories of what works, then chuck the theory out the window and let her teach.
Blue, I just have to thank you so much for this post. I have been way too busy or else unwell to contribute what I would have litked to to this debate, which is just crazy over here.
However, this was an excellent balanced post on this subject. You seem to have put it better than any Brit did. :-)
Posted this elsewhere, but I think this is the right place to put it:
Although I did discuss lip reading and deafness, my comment does not limit facial cues and speech reading to the deaf and hard of hearing, it just states that these are "particularly" important for those groups. When there's a communications barrier - whether due to hearing loss or a lack of fluency - any and all extra clues to meaning are important in both understanding the current dialogue, and learning how to understand future dialogues.
Thanks everyone for the thoughtful comments.
Sally, I agree that "reasonable accommodation" seems like a sensible standard, though under the ADA the term has taken quite a beating by the courts.
Tuomas, I don't personally know about brain patterns and blind folks, I do have heard that some blind (and deaf) people find the equating of their refined use of their other senses to accommodate the limits of one sense as a stereotype that isn't necessarily helpful. OTOH, I've also read about folks who consider that a key part of their disability experience.
This is pedantic, but it was my comment that linked to PunkAssBlog, not Roberts.
That's true, and I didn't make that clear. I was attempting to keep my post as short as possible. I failed at that anyway, didn't I?
Jay:
What I find most compelling in your post is how ~ for me ~ the either/or language undergirding this latest round of discussions gets hung up in light of how you expose the underpinnings of disability language.
Does that make sense?
Yep. It's how I feel too. It's all far too complex and complicated for one succinct point of view, or binary-type debate.
Penny, thanks for making the clarification about the original source of "reasonable accommodation."
Sly Civilian, I agree with what you say here completely.
Sunrunner, thank you for the details about Islam, veiling, and cultural beliefs about disability. While the details and severity surely vary from culture to culture, ableism is pretty much everywhere and it's a fair bet that socially conservative cultures with regard to other "different" bodies (like women) will also react badly to disability.
Amanda, do you pick up much Korean (is "Korean" a language or is their another name?) while teaching ESL?
Goldfish, thanks for that generous review. I'm learning a great deal from reading what various Brits say about it all, though.
Gordon K., very true. I'd agree that people find cues for communication from all parts of the body. It's part of in-person communication, generally.
Much of my thought process about this Azmi case comes from the many times over the years I have pondered exactly how I would communicate effectively with a deaf person since muscle weakness in my hands precludes using ASL. Or does it? Lip-reading my lips isn't very useful.
Amanda, do you pick up much Korean (is "Korean" a language or is their another name?) while teaching ESL?
I pick up individual words fairly easily, but I can't really speak many sentences, except the odd ones by rote. I am not terribly good at learning new languages and Korean is hard! I know that some people find it easy to learn from their students. In my first job here, my students were not allowed to speak Korean at all in the school, but at my present job our students aren't high level enough to institute that kind of rule, so I am picking up more Korean this time round.
Thanks for this very well written and broadly researched post. I'd like to first point out that facial deformity is not a choice. Secondly, children learn to "read" facial expressions on anyone - as long as there is a face to be "read".
Mostly, in regard to TEFL, it is watching the way the lips and the mouth in general actually form the sounds that make up the words that is important.
Between languages, there are often sounds that are produced in one language but not in another. Final consonant sounding is especially important in English - and being able to see the way a teacher's mouth finishes off the word is most helpful.
MM
Hi MM,
I wrote a second post after this about the comparison between disability and veiling that may help explain my view, but here it is succinctly: I don't think it matters that facial deformity is not a choice in this context. In a purely feminist context it does, of course.
I agree with you that facial expressions greatly help to learn a language, but they're not absolutely essential.
I know this post is a few months old, but I found it near the top of a web search on the subject of niqab, and thought I would add a few things in for posterity.
This post definitely has a different spin on the issue than anything else I read (which was mostly anti-Muslim polemic rantings, but that's the blogworld for you), but I don't know how "balanced" it can be when there are no Muslim women's voices quoted anywhere (or men's, for that matter). And I would not categorize Muslim women as "women of color," because it's our faith, not our skin color... we may be "minorities" or "of color" to mainstream White society, but I personally think it is a mistake for Whites to look at us as a cultural, racial, or ethnic minority. Islam supercedes all of these, just as atheism or Christianity do. We'll quote feminists, but with all of the Muslim blogs out there that featured this topic, not a single one could be quoted? Perhaps one views Muslim women's voices as being "silenced from" this discussion because it's easier than hunting them down. More than finding Muslim women bloggers, there are disabled Muslim women who blog and write. Of course, that said, there's nothing that states it is compulsory for any of us to respond to or write about any mass media created circus regarding Muslim women. If we did, we might not have time for anything else.
Also, it was rarely mentioned in articles about this woman, and I didn't see it here (maybe I missed it) that the teacher doesn't wear niqab in the classroom. She only wears it when a man enters the classroom (such as the superintendent, which is one she mentioned specifically in an interview). The children see her mostly without the niqab. She stated this several times in different interviews, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that her voice as a Muslim woman is ignored when inconvenient. Given my personal experiences living in the West for decades, I would not be surprised in the least if there was some degree of dishonesty going on WRT to the claim that it was the children who complained, esp. since most of the initial reports stated that it was a male "superior" at the school who complained, and other officials who took up the complaint.
Second, I don't think that this issue can really be hashed out without taking into considerations racial and other biases in British society against Muslims and Asians (Pakistanis, Indians, etc). There was a big rush recently to prove how unbiased UK society is (after how many years of colonialism in the Subcontinent) for the sake of a Bollywood starlet, but British Muslims, esp. those who are of Asian origin, live with the realities of British bias everyday, and it DEFINITELY, definitely shows up in the British media.
Third, the constant focus on, near obsession with, the clothing of Muslim women by non-Muslims makes more Muslim women uncomfortable than all of the honor and oppression stuff mentioned. Really. I know a lot of Muslim women -- happen to be one, actually -- and this one comes up far more often than the other stuff. We are more than a face veil or a scarf, and honestly can not understand why those outside of the circle of Islam can't seem to go beyond that. (Also, seems to be a lot of consensus that we really don't need Westerners, including Western women, and esp. feminists, to stand up for us and decide what in our lives is from a "misogynistic religion" and what isn't. We just want you to listen to our voices -- the ones we've been speaking with for decades -- about our *real* concerns and issues). Muslim bloggers and writers all over the English-language web were discussing this. Why were none of them quoted or offered as a POV?
Fourth, Western Muslim communities are often a reflection of the dominant ethnicity or home country of that community. A Black American Muslim community might have a very different attitude towards disabilities than one made up of immigrants from this or that country. I will say that in all of my years in the US, I found that "from the ground up" mosques were accommodating while those that were in storefronts or old houses were pretty much inaccessible for people with limited mobility / in wheelchairs. At the same time, in every community I've been in, regardless of ethnicity, I've seen blind Muslims, deaf Muslims, and so forth. Here in the ME where I live now, there are far, far fewer attempts to accommodate people with disabilities, IMO, esp. people with limited mobility. Getting around the city I live in a wheelchair (or even with a baby in arms) is nearly impossible, because of the large number of stairs, mountains and hills, the poor condition of sidewalks, narrow aisles in stores, and so forth. Oftentimes, I have found that other than the malls, only the mosques are fairly accessible for wheelchairs.
Fifth, it is always easy (too easy) to bring up the boogeyman of honor and fear for Muslim women, but those of us who are practicing Muslims and followed this story, and those Muslim bloggers who wrote about it knew that there may well have been other, less scary reasons why she didn't want to answer those questions about the niqab and her job interview.
It's unfair to Muslim women for someone who is admittedly not even one of us, but using her ethnic background to give her words some authority, to bring out that old canard (and trot out some tired "Mozlem for a Day!" article on top of it), thus playing into the popular misconception that, behind all our bold talk, we're all standing here shaking in our boots afraid of our menfolk.
For those of us hijab-wearing Muslim women who have had experience trying to find employment in a West where we are despised and pitied (oh, that concept again...), the reality is that most of us believe she didn't wear it at her interview because she feared a potentially ugly reaction or discrimination on the part of the non-Muslim employer. ("Oh... you're the applicant? Um. Gee. The position was just filled. Sorry you came all the way down here." How many times a Muslim woman in the US, Canada, or UK has heard that one... I have a feeling disabled job seekers have had this experience too). Equally possible (and more realistic than the eevul Mozlem man in the background, IMNSHO) is the possibility that the woman was not fully committed to wearing it, that she was going back and forth, wavering on it, and later, after being hired, made a faith based choice.
Anyway, I'm sorry I took up so much space. I certainly didn't mean to go on so long... but I wanted to ensure that somehow, even if it's just b/c someone was Googling something and ended up here, the voice of a Muslim woman was heard and recorded. -- Just Another Muslima
Hi Anonymous, I'm glad you have added what you have to my post here. If this post is showing at the top of searches on the topic of niqab, it most definitely is a problem because of the lack of Muslim input, and specifically input from disabled Muslim women, imo. To my knowledge, I don't have anyone on my disability blogroll at my sidebar who identifies on their own blog as both disabled and Muslim, and I'd certainly be interested in adding them if I was aware of them. I did look for blogging on this topic by disabled Muslim women at the time and could not find anyone I understood to publicly identify as both and offer their vital perspective on this British case.
As it was, I think my perspective in writing this differed because I was mostly examining the discussion on a few of the specifically feminist blogs that I frequent and noting the discussion's involvement with ideas of disability. So, here I am, a disabled white feminist critiquing nondisabled feminist debate of niqab, which, I suppose, was a unique approach, but lacking the important Muslim perspective, as you note.
The post I wrote immediately following this one also lacks Muslim perspective, but perhaps shows more distinctly what I was thinking through about presence of disability in the feminist blog discussions I was following. That link here: http://thegimpparade.blogspot.com/2006/10/comparing-niqab-wearing-women-to.html
I do hope my continually expanding gimp blogroll continues to develop diversity and that any Muslim women who are deaf or disabled and blog will make themselves known so I can add them to the sidebar. That goes for anyone blogging about the social experience of disability, actually, but I'd be very pleased to include voices not now represented adequately.
Thanks again.
And I notice that I just called myself a disabled white feminist, with "white" serving as shorthand for white, upper middle-class, Christian background (though I'm not practicing). As anonymous has said, Muslims are not automatically people of color. I guess I have incorporated my understanding of the cultural and racial as well as religious complexities of this particular case into my terminology, which isn't very precise or accurate. I do think of this case as one of racial and religious bigotry.
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